Marriage: Canadian non-resident and Canadian resident

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ususer
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Marriage: Canadian non-resident and Canadian resident

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My brother has the following situation.

- He is a non-resident of Canada living and working in US on TN.

- His girlfriend is a Canadian resident, not a citizen yet.

- As of today, he files his US tax return only, she files her Canadian tax return only.

- He wants to marry her, but after marriage she is going to stay in Canada for some time (I think a year or 1.5 years) to meet her citizenship application criteria (3 years presence in Canada).
After applying for citizenship she is going to "depart" to him to the US.

The important question is:

- If they get married, will he need to start filing Canadian tax return??
Is there a choice to avoid this?

- And does it depend on whether they register their marriage in US or Canada?

With many thanks to your replies.
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Post by nelsona »

Because he has already become non-resident, he will *probably* be able to avoid Cdbn taxation, even after marriage, as long as he does not establish other secondary ties, nor visit canada very often.

Where they marry is unimportant.

Hs marriage will change his US filing, since he will now either have to file married separately or jointly.
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Post by ususer »

Thanks Nelson,
His concern is - when she files her next Canadian tax return as "married", mentioning him as a husband, -
may CCRA "notice" this, and start reviewing his non-residential status?
How big is this chance?
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They ca nreview all they want. He is a US tax resident, unless and until he establishes more ties than simple marriage.
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Post by ususer »

nelsona wrote:Because he has already become non-resident, he will *probably* be able to avoid Cdbn taxation, even after marriage, as long as he does not establish other secondary ties, nor visit canada very often.
Nelson, just for my curiosity then -
1) How do IRS/CCRA verify dates of someone's presence/visits in USA/Canada?
2) Isn't marriage one of the "severe" ties with Canada?
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Post by nelsona »

They can ask about his wherabouts, and the border is controlled by the same ministry as CRA.

Pragmatically, the feds get no money when they make a claim against US income, since the foreign tax credit will be wipe out all Federal tax, and leave only prov tax. They therefore don't put up much of a fight for their greedy siblings.

As I said, a wife in canada is a major tie, however Canada's rules on tax residency allow for one who has Cdn residential ties to have them 'outweighed' by his US ones, and be a deemed non-resident by treaty.

His 'habitual abode', since he has already established non-residency,continues to be US.

If he were a Cdn going down to the US, and temporarily leaving his wife behind, this would be a different story.
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Post by ususer »

nelsona wrote:They can ask about his wherabouts, and the border is controlled by the same ministry as CRA.
And in the US, how does IRS verify your presence-absence, ins-outs?
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Post by nelsona »

IRS doesn't care. Their taxation is based on citizenship and presence, not strictly presence.
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Post by ususer »

I was referencing one of the replies on this forum -
for example, you are filling form 2555, specifying days spent *in* US and days spent *outside* US. How does IRS check/validate this?
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Be honest. :wink:
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Post by ususer »

I am :). The question was not about this. The question is - do you need to keep documents to prove where you are at certain dates (air tickets, etc.) or - they do "have" all this info.
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Post by MikeC »

Keep bills with the address usually is enough.
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