Sold US Stocks after moving back to Canada

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jgoveas
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Sold US Stocks after moving back to Canada

Post by jgoveas »

Hi,

My husband and I moved back to Canada in August (after being in the US for a year). We are filling again as residents in the US for the full year and as partial year residents in Canada. In November 2008 while we were in the States, he bought a stock (Sony) and in Dec 2009 sold it after we have moved back. We're wondering if we have to report the gain of this stock in our Canadian taxes or if it's only reported on the US side.

Thanks in advance!
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It is reported on both. The Cdn cost basis is from the day you movek however, and not the original prce.
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Post by jgoveas »

thanks Nelsona,

That seems like an unfair double taxation. but I suppose it's a suck it up situation. I might try to see if I can try a deem dispose on the US side on the day we left.

Thanks!
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No you can't. US will accept your Cdn tax as a credit on your 1040 thru form 1116, as with all your Cdn tax on Cdn income that you report on 1040.
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Post by jgoveas »

Hey guys, I looked on the gov's website and I will call up the international tax office tomorrow. But, does anyone know what exchange rate Canada prefers when reporting the sale of foreign stocks? Thanks!
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Post by nelsona »

Both US and Canada prefer the bank rate on the day of sale.
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Post by jgoveas »

Thanks! I'll go with that for canada. For the US I"m using the Dept of Agriculture...gives a more favourable rate and is acceptable for the IRS apparently. Thanks Nelsona!
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Post by nelsona »

Just be consistent.

Bank of Canada or actual rate is prefered.
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Post by neoplop »

[quote="nelsona"]No you can't. [/quote]

I'm wondering if this is consistent with Article 13, paragraph 7 of the Tax Treaty:

7. Where at any time an individual is treated for the purposes of taxation by a Contracting State [Canada] as having alienated a property and is taxed in that State by reason thereof and the domestic law of the other Contracting State [USA] at such time defers (but does not forgive) taxation, that individual may elect in his annual return of income for the year of such alienation to be liable to tax in the other Contracting State [USA] in that year as if he had, immediately before that time, sold and repurchased such property for an amount equal to its fair market value at that time.

Sure looks like you can elect to do a deemed disposition and reacquisition on the US side...

I don't think it would be to your advantage to do this, since the US would tax the full gain, not 50% as Canada does and you would end up paying a lot more!
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Post by nelsona »

That article only applies to LEAVING canada, since deemed acquisition on arrival in canada -- although it does satisfy the "treeted as having alienated a property" clause, does not satisfy "and is taxed in that State by reason thereof", since no tax arises from deemed acquisition.

Only deemed disposition meets the test of that article -- and that was its intent.
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Post by neoplop »

[quote="nelsona"]That article only applies to LEAVING canada, since deemed acquisition on arrival in canada -- although it does satisfy the "treeted as having alienated a property" clause, does not satisfy "and is taxed in that State by reason thereof", since no tax arises from deemed acquisition.

Only deemed disposition meets the test of that article -- and that was its intent.[/quote]

Great reading of the fine print. Makes sense. Thanks.
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